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Bestselling author Michael Covel is the host of Trend Following Radio with 15+ million listens. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trading -- all passionately explored and debated. Guests include Nobel Prize winners: Robert Aumann, Angus Deaton, Daniel Kahneman, Oliver Hart, Harry Markowitz & Vernon Smith. More guests: Jack Canfield, Howard Marks, James Altucher, Dan Ariely, Jean-Philippe Bouchaud, Kathleen Eisenhardt, Marc Faber, Tim Ferriss, Jason Fried, Gerd Gigerenzer, Larry Hite, Sally Hogshead, Ryan Holiday, Jack Horner, Ewan Kirk, Steven Kotler, Michael Mauboussin, Tucker Max, Barry Ritholtz, Jim Rogers, Jack Schwager, Ed Seykota, Philip Tetlock & Walter Williams. 1200+ episodes.

Nov 10, 2014

My guest today is Steven Kotler, an American bestselling author, journalist, and entrepreneur. His articles have appeared in over 70 publications, including The New York Times Magazine, LA Times, Wired, GQ, Discover, Popular Science, Outside, Men’s Journal, Details and National Geographic Adventure. He is best known for his non-fiction books, including the New York Times bestseller Abundance, A Small Furry Prayer, and West of Jesus.

The topic is his book The Rise of Superman: Decoding the Science of Ultimate Human Performance.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • Synonyms for flow
  • Flow in basketball and other sports
  • Group flow
  • Pattern recognition
  • The neurological explanation for flow
  • The four stages of flow
  • Why flow is not just a binary state
  • Spiritual experiences compared to flow states
  • Brain activity during flow states; the “deep now”
  • Getting to the flow state with drugs
  • The flow state and the act of being on stage
  • Why you need to take risks to get into flow
  • Social fear, risk, and pain vs. physical fear, risk, and pain
  • Method acting, screen presence, and flow
  • The military and flow research
  • Risk and comfort
  • The balance between challenges and skills
  • Getting comfortable with being uncomfortable
  • The fight or flight mindset
  • Future research into flow

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